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blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,957 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Thought I would throw another one out there.....there are a couple slab scuffs on this image.

Let me know your thoughts.

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS63... Nice Color!
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,986 ✭✭✭✭✭
    63 and nearly a 4- and I can even see a 4 as it is a tough call

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Guess the Grade.....1911 $5 Gold

    blu62vette, You had a few to many image as this is a $10 Gold piece... NOT $5 Gold. image

    You'd make a great cashier! imageimage
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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,090 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I grade it "I like it " nice
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ms63. Nice color and original. Nice coin.

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,894 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very pretty, Todd. 63 seems about right. Great photos, as always.
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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,957 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Edited to right denomination.....
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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with 63...
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  • bestclser1bestclser1 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    GREAT color.Original,guessing a 64?
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    blu62vette, It would be neat if you had a chance to image adamlaneus's (ex spacemonkey, ex becoka) PCGS AU58 1911 $10 for side by side comparison! image
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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
    best guess 64
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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS-62


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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,957 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>blu62vette, It would be neat if you had a chance to image adamlaneus's (ex spacemonkey, ex becoka) PCGS AU58 1911 $10 for side by side comparison! image >>



    maybe he will bring it to Santa Clara in a couple weeks....
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  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,284 ✭✭✭✭✭
    58
  • atarianatarian Posts: 3,116 ✭
    61
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  • jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭
    62, nice color, marks on face preclude a higher grade.
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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,402 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ms63,

    outside chance ms64
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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,894 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's a 1910-D, for comparison. This one's a PCGS 62 (was NGC 63). Todd's is at least a grade nicer, maybe two. And with interesting color.
    Lance.

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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,957 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here's a 1910-D, for comparison. This one's a PCGS 62 (was NGC 63). Todd's is at least a grade nicer, maybe two. And with interesting color.
    Lance.
    >>



    Thanks for the comparison coin, I like having similar coins to look at. I do want to clarify the coin belongs to another forum member but not me.
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  • njcoincranknjcoincrank Posts: 1,066 ✭✭
    Sorry, but this coin looks altered to me.

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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,957 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sorry, but this coin looks altered to me.

    njcc >>



    Can you explain why? I would be curious as to what you are seeing and respect your thoughts.

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  • njcoincranknjcoincrank Posts: 1,066 ✭✭
    I see way too many shades of gold here. Liberty has the appearance of being painted with iodine. This may have been done to hide the numerous marks on her face. On the reverse it seems to be suffering from the same fate. Look at the "halo" surrounding the chicken. Also notice the friction hidden by the color down on the chicken's rear end. Of course there is the possibility the coin looks totally different in hand. I've always said you can't truly grade coins from a picture.

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  • robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS62... Possible AT.
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  • JimmyJoeJimmyJoe Posts: 52
    MS-62
  • bestclser1bestclser1 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    Grading from pics is very tough,impossible in,my book anyway.JMHO.image
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  • njcoincranknjcoincrank Posts: 1,066 ✭✭
    So...what does the holder say? Who's holder is it in?

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  • MesquiteMesquite Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭
    Very nice! MS63
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  • njcoincranknjcoincrank Posts: 1,066 ✭✭
    Are we ever going to get the answer?

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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,957 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Are we ever going to get the answer?

    njcc >>



    I will wait for some more guesses but it is PCGS and MS
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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,300 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll guess 63; the fields look pretty clean. I don't know about the color, but the "skin" looks great.
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    I think it would be a 65 without the scuff on the chin and neck, so I will say 64--------BigE
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  • Deagle74Deagle74 Posts: 385
    Great coin - beautifull obverse!!!!

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  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,957 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And here it is:

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  • njcoincranknjcoincrank Posts: 1,066 ✭✭
    Very interesting...

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image

    I've collected MS64 $10 Indians up until I sold em off in 2006...

    Based on the surface conditions on this example I thought it was a MS62, which was bumped to 63 for color.

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Based on the surface conditions on this example I thought it was a MS62, which was bumped to 63 for color.

    Come now. There's no way that coin has 62 surface conditions even if the mark on the cheek is as noticeable in hand as on the image - which I doubt based on both the PCGS grade and the CAC sticker.
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Come now. There's no way that coin has 62 surface conditions even if the mark on the cheek is as noticeable in hand as on the image - which I doubt based on both the PCGS grade and the CAC sticker. >>



    I never even saw the CAC sticker as I was already eating my shoe when I saw the grade on that label.
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  • TheRavenTheRaven Posts: 4,149 ✭✭✭✭
    I guessed MS-64 and then see that I was accurate compared to PCGS.....

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  • jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Based on the surface conditions on this example I thought it was a MS62, which was bumped to 63 for color.

    Come now. There's no way that coin has 62 surface conditions even if the mark on the cheek is as noticeable in hand as on the image - which I doubt based on both the PCGS grade and the CAC sticker. >>



    Which goes to show you how impossible it is to grade coins based on an image. Marks on the face appear severe enough and in enough quantity to warrant a 62 from the image.

    Kind of easy to call it after the OP has posted the grade (and the CAC) isn't it image

    John
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,258 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Based on the surface conditions on this example I thought it was a MS62, which was bumped to 63 for color.

    Come now. There's no way that coin has 62 surface conditions even if the mark on the cheek is as noticeable in hand as on the image - which I doubt based on both the PCGS grade and the CAC sticker. >>



    Which goes to show you how impossible it is to grade coins based on an image. Marks on the face appear severe enough and in enough quantity to warrant a 62 from the image.

    Kind of easy to call it after the OP has posted the grade (and the CAC) isn't it image

    John >>



    I disagree - based on my earlier call of 63. The fields are way too pristine for the coin to ever receive a 62 IMO
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  • jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Based on the surface conditions on this example I thought it was a MS62, which was bumped to 63 for color.

    Come now. There's no way that coin has 62 surface conditions even if the mark on the cheek is as noticeable in hand as on the image - which I doubt based on both the PCGS grade and the CAC sticker. >>



    Which goes to show you how impossible it is to grade coins based on an image. Marks on the face appear severe enough and in enough quantity to warrant a 62 from the image.

    Kind of easy to call it after the OP has posted the grade (and the CAC) isn't it image

    John >>



    I disagree - based on my earlier call of 63. The fields are way too pristine for the coin to ever receive a 62 IMO >>



    We certainly can agree to disagree, especially when trying to guess a grade based on images online. I think on coins like the $10 Indian and Barber coinage, facial hits that are numerous tend to be overly distracting and in my eye tend to lead me away from even a choice (63) designation. Maybe I grade these kind of coins too conservatively based on that, apparently PCGS and CAC think this coin is a 64, so I would say that this coin probably looks much better in hand than the images, and the facial hits are not as severe as depicted. At least I hope so...

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  • bestclser1bestclser1 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

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    << <i>

    << <i>Based on the surface conditions on this example I thought it was a MS62, which was bumped to 63 for color.

    Come now. There's no way that coin has 62 surface conditions even if the mark on the cheek is as noticeable in hand as on the image - which I doubt based on both the PCGS grade and the CAC sticker. >>



    Which goes to show you how impossible it is to grade coins based on an image. Marks on the face appear severe enough and in enough quantity to warrant a 62 from the image.

    Kind of easy to call it after the OP has posted the grade (and the CAC) isn't it image

    John >>



    I disagree - based on my earlier call of 63. The fields are way too pristine for the coin to ever receive a 62 IMO >>



    We certainly can agree to disagree, especially when trying to guess a grade based on images online. I think on coins like the $10 Indian and Barber coinage, facial hits that are numerous tend to be overly distracting and in my eye tend to lead me away from even a choice (63) designation. Maybe I grade these kind of coins too conservatively based on that, apparently PCGS and CAC think this coin is a 64, so I would say that this coin probably looks much better in hand than the images, and the facial hits are not as severe as depicted. At least I hope so... >>

    This looks better in hand than 66s with CAC that i returned.But i probably have no clue.image
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This looks better in hand than 66s with CAC that i returned.But i probably have no clue.image >>



    Have you been returning these MS66's to China imageimage
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  • bestclser1bestclser1 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    Broadstruck,To the same dealer i bought the 64 from.You didnt want me to say it was really you did you,Best,Lloydimageimage
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,986 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well...

    64 it is and I am not too surprised

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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I think it would be a 65 without the scuff on the chin and neck, so I will say 64--------BigE >>



    Yep, got this one too. Todd, I just wanted to let you know its ok to combine shipping on theseimage----------------------BigE
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